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Not very effectively

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The WPK is Kimilsungist-Kimjongilist, technically, though ML is accepted as the basis of Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism, just with the juche idea added on top.

Doubt all you like, but both the WPK and CPC are overwhelmingly proletarian parties in states where the commanding heights and backbone of the economy are publicly owned at a minimum.

Both China and the DPRK are socialist countries. Public ownership is the principal aspect of their economies, and the working classes control the state.

I’m not mocking tankies, I’m in the post I linked.

Marxism-Leninism isn’t “whatever Stalin did.” This is a mistake Hoxhaists and the like make. It isn’t “secretly” a manifestation of the same ideas, it’s openly so. The Soviet economy was largely a wartime economy, in siege. For that, it was tremendously effective, but they ran into problems with light industry. Stalin tried to solve this with systems like the artels and cooperatives, but Khrushchev played a part in abolishing these. As a consequence, black markets emerged for gaps in the public sector.

The implication here is that where there is a need, there will be relations of production to accommodate, whether these are legally recognized or not. You can try to get rid of them, but this takes effort, and impedes development in many cases. China took the route of legally recognizing private property in controlled amounts, and uses this marketization for development into fully planned economy.

The reason people take issue with the term “Dengism” is because it is used near exclusively in a derogatory manner, to dismiss Marxist-Leninists as “revisionist” for accepting the socialist market economy as a valid and correct application of Marxism.

No?

State and Reformation

They’re serious and dedicated Marxist-Leninists. There’s some shitposting but there’s a lot of high-effort content there, just check this post out and read the replies. It’s abundantly clear that, even if you disagree, there’s a bunch of thought that goes into a lot of the positions over there.

No, Deng Xiaoping Theory is a thing, but it isn’t treated as significant as Thought, to date there is only Mao Zedong Thought and Xi Jinping Thought (ML-MZT and ML-XJT accordingly, with ML-XJT already having all of ML-MZT included, along with DXT). Many heads of the CPC have had various individual contributions, like Deng, but these are typically applications of Marxism-Leninism to new conditions, not the invention of a new ideology.

The socialist market economy is based in classical Marxist economics, not even anything directly attributable to Lenin or Deng.

You never gave evidence that China under reports, though.

What discrepancy is there in the data?

Yep, all you’re doing is speculation and treating it as proof.

So in other words, you don’t have any proof, and are using the lack of proof as evidence. That’s not how proof works.

All countries have a political interest in showing themselves as better, though. I’m aware enough of China’s history to know that your allegations are just that, allegations.

I’d need to see evidence of this, all you’ve done is list suspicions.

Neither source seems to point towards fudged numbers, more towards an increase in suicides as a societal issue to be tackled. Nobody said there’s no suicide in China.

Source?

Oh silly me, duh