HAH, that tracks so much.

Im conflicted,

if that waste of breath sorbo is disappointed, that would normally indicate it was doing something right.

So you basically ARE calling me a narcissist by proxy, or a defender of narcissists at best.

I can’t speak to your interpretation but it was not my intention to do so.

For me to be calling you a narcissist i’d need to claim you were saying those things to defend yourself, which you clearly weren’t.

The company isn’t saying that about themselves either.

Well, no more Mullvad for me. Thanks for pointing that out. There are several good alternatives.

This was also not my intention, but i can’t say i’m upset at this outcome.

I’ll keep it brief. I do find the controversies comparable, for the reasons previously stated…etc

All reasonable takes and i wasn’t trying to imply you were trying to sway me, i was just stating my opinions and boundaries were different from yours in this case.

I don’t consider the shenanigans equal on both sides, but we can agree to disagree on this.

Worth noting that the CEO was the CEO of FIREFOX at the time of the LGBT controversy. He was forced out due to the backlash, so good on Mozilla …etc

Fully agreed, in this case i fall on the mozilla side because, as i said, to me it’s the least worst.

The only reason I point out of something is not “as bad” is because I don’t believe it is possible to stay completely away from supporting anyone controversial…etc

Also agreed, there is no ethical consumerism so you do what you can live with.

i was talking more of the prosumer and close to prosumer units that could theoretically be retrofitted or housed in homelabs.

If datacentres went down en-masse i’d assume there’d be mix of hardware generations there.

Damn though, i didn’t know anything about the stuff you just mentioned, so my estimates of what could be available/usable are probably way off.

Now i have to go and do a deep dive, thanks.

I reread the narcissist thing and I’m really not sure what you mean then. Are you calling the Brave CEO a narcissist?

I was referring to a theoretical corporate defence version of the narcissists prayer and was again bitten by my ridiculous expectation that meme/reference knowledge is universal

Specifically your defence of brave sounded to me like this slightly altered version of that prayer

That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not their fault.
And if it was, they didn’t mean it.

I wasn’t trying to imply you are they were narcissists, only that your reply sounded a lot like that prayer.

I wasn’t sure if you were referring to either or both, so I responded to both versions of what you could mean by that. Based in your last comment I have a feeling I didn’t hear something recent about them, as far as I know everyone still likes them.

ah, again, with my assumptions:

TL;DR; A mullvad founder donated a large amount of money to what is largely considered to be a right wing political party

Here’s a small selection links, should be easy to search once you know what to look for:

Note, there is obviously bias and opinions here, have a look in to the actual details yourself for a full picture.

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I do see a pattern, which is why I said I don’t fully trust them …etc

I agree with all of that up to this part:

Brave I trust a little less, but I see them in a similar way: often trying to find a crackpot method to make money off their product so they can stick around.

If their crackpot experiments are at the expense of the things i care about i’m out, but that’s a personal opinion, not a universal viewpoint.

I can’t say I’m a fan of their CEO. Then again, I can’t say I particularly like any CEO of any company,…etc

Again, all reasonable takes up to the end part:

I’m forced to pay Microsoft for licenses and support at work, and that bothers my conscience more than using a free browser by a guy who didn’t support gay marriage in 2014 before it went through federally, like just about everyone I grew up with, most of whom have since gotten over themselves. Not saying it’s OK or right, just noting that was at least half of Americans back then.

“He’s not as bad as musk and gates, plus everyone of that generation was like that” sounds a lot like an excuse, even if you specifically state that it isn’t.

I agree with your assessment that Firefox used to be the default good option and get steadily worse every day. …etc

Agreed

Does this make Firefox a stupid option that I’d criticize people for using? No. It is still one of the best options we ha…etc

Again, agreed, until the end.

“I’m gonna do it anyway” VS “Hey guys what about this?” “WTAF were you thinking Brave?” “Oh, sorry…”

That’s entirely glossing over the nature of the sketchy shit being pulled.

As we said mozilla are just stacking those shitty decisions like they were bricks of gold.

but they haven’t done anything even remotely a sketchy as :

• Referral injection/affiliate jacking
• Replacing ads with their own
• This

Presenting it like they are doing comparable things is disingenuous at best.

Not strictly, there are usualy hurdles to overcome for home usage of datacentre tech, but it’s possible.

An easy example that comes to mind is that the datacentre GPU’s might have cooling configurations that rely on a large amount of airflow from the surrounding cabinet, which you’ll get in a datacentre, but not so much in a personal tower.

Also, noise, in a datacentre, noise is much less of an issue than in a personal computer, so they can eschew noise reduction in favour of performance.

Many people that live near data-centres would disagree, but i mean strictly from a usage point of view, not a broader community perspective.

edit: well shit, i just realised i used a meme/reference that might have been mistaken for me specifically implying an economic reason not to use mullvad.

That’s my bad for assuming universal meme knowledge.

<X>, in this economy? was predominantly used to reference economic reasons to not doing something, it has broadened in scope to encompass the idea that the proceeding statement is nonsensical in general (not just for economic reasons)

So “mullvad, in this economy ?” roughly translates to “mullvad is a questionable choice in this current (specific or general) context”

What a strange comment. Can’t say I’ve ever been called a narcissist for recommending privacy browsers before.

No one was calling you a narcissist, read it again.

Mullvad is pretty much the most trusted VPN provider. If you don’t want to pay for a VPN, don’t. I explicitly mentioned it is still a good privacy by default Firefox based browser without the bloat of Firefox.

And my comment had nothing to do with its technical competence (nor it’s economic impact, see note at the top)

Have you really not seen any stories related to mullvad recently?

Sure, let’s go through your list, why not.

Not my list, a list.

And all of those explanations are the handwaving I mentioned.

Your take on them all seems reasonable if not exactly the same as mine.

In aggregate though they indicate a potential pattern.

My response was specifically to your implication that because their many shenanigans were in the past and nothing was a current problem that we should only judge them on their current technical competence.

I also noticed you didn’t mention the current CEO and why someone might have an issue with them.

I just think it’s really weird that Brave gets so much hate when it isn’t warranted when compared to what other browsers do.

Then you probably aren’t hearing all of what people are actually complaining about.

hint : they aren’t usually complaining about the technical competence.

Also other browsers get plenty of shit, a lot of it justifiable.

Ungoogled Chromium, for example…etc

All valid, and I agree.

I could list some you haven’t mentioned as well.

I personally use a variant of Firefox that has a whole bunch of questionable shit turned off or removed.

Despite almost all of their recent moves having been to announce some bullshit that actively makes them a worse option for me they are still currently , barely, the least worst option (for my preferences)

And only then it’s mostly because of the variants.

What I was getting at is that playing down the continuous bullshit from these companies weakens your arguments.

It also genuinely seems you don’t see why the non-technical aspects of these companies might be a point of contention for some people.

Recommending mullvad, in this economy ? That’s a bold strategy , if nothing else.

I suppose if you’re going to do that then following up with handwaving brave’s historic shenanigans and current CEO is consistent.

“They previous did and continue to do some shit i don’t care about , i like their products” at least shows some backbone.

The corporate defense version of the narcissists prayer is weaksauce.