When you post on reddit, instagram etc. you’re giving the company your valuable data. (And it often is valuable, you put your thoughts into it and all that). Consider if you take 15 minutes to create value content, you’d get paid $5 or sth if you were doing it commercially. Now all that value is donated to big tech companies. (that’s the only reason why they have value at all.)
So what’s the problem with that? The problem is that reddit and others can instantaneously put your years-long effort behind a paywall. I’m not joking. Look at these:
when i want to see content on reddit (for research) or instagram (for local community) they don’t allow me to see the data that users have contributed. Reddit claims that it blocks VPNs for “security reasons”, meanwhile i’m using VPNs in browser’s incognito mode to not be tracked. Instagram wants you to sign in sothat they amass more users and can take leverage of the network effect even more.
I can understand restricting who can post to limit bot activity, but reading must always be possible. After all, it’s our data. That’s exactly what happens when you give your data to big companies to “communicate with other people”: your data becomes a source of income for them, at our expense.
The irony is that this argument will probably get more attention on Reddit than on any open forum: Centralised platforms are great for discovery and awful for preservation. Use them as the billboard, not the library. Keep the valuable stuff where you control the rules, the backups and the future.
What I’m particularly concerned about lately is the growing share of online forums that don’t even publish their content on the web.
The most famous example of this type of forum is probably Discord.
As those of you on Lemmy know, many people chose Discord as an alternative after Reddit’s deterioration.
Hasn’t this problem already escalated to the point where access to content isn’t guaranteed not only to some bots but even to individuals without accounts?
Shouldn’t those who love the web be extremely wary of online communities that don’t even try to be based on the web?
That’s what I think.
If search engines truly only show the “existence” of forums, then the open web is truly over.
personally, i would be cautious with discord too
There really is a place for closed forums of enthusiasts where not everybody can get access and where you can talk without being indexed by Google, fed into LLMs and analyzed by Palantir. There is a place for an open discussion on a public square, a place for a chat among mates in a pub and a scientific conference where people can speak freely about their research without fucking Elon Musk leading an army of trolls into the audience
After a decade of reddit and over a half million karma I quit for multiple reasons. Primarily the cash grab for the API and forcing the reddit app, but also the explicit acknowledgement that the mods and community were absolutely being exploited for unpaid labor and anyone who didn’t bend a knee could get fucked.
It’s pointless anymore to try infoposting on reddit.
Take for example the soldering subreddit. The info on that sub is that you must slather everything in flux in order to solder properly. A guy posted yesterday citing 40 years of experience, saying that’s not how he’s done it. The comments are a mess.
Another post today, someone asks about air filtering the solder smoke. The consensus in the comments is it’s not a big deal. You can literally measure the particulate matter yourself to see how bad it is. Basically an average residential room size, say 100-200 sq/ft. You’ll basically hotbox yourself with smoke.
Another one that’s seen less often but the false idea persists. It’s that capacitors never short and burn out. I don’t know how or why that false idea floats around, but I’ve seen it over the years. I’ve replaced tons of caps that spontaneously combusted. Both electrolytic and SMD caps. Sometimes they just fail and short. No other fault.
Reddit is full of bad info. It’s site that relies on word of mouth and popularity contest. You do not build a knoweldge base of technical information this way. You’re getting an entropic game of telephone. That’s all reddit ever was and ever will be. It’s flawed paradigm by default.
A paradigm that lemmy is built off. So don’t you all be getting the idea that good knowledge is going to be getting sourced from here either.
It’s kind of insane that integrated wikis with citations/documentation aren’t the centerpiece of (Reddit) communities.
Instead, we got… Discord?
Early iterations of the community did try to incorporate these features.
But simply tapping the sign that reads “Go read the wiki on this solved issue” doesn’t generate the kind of traffic and community participation that repeating the same copypasta every month or two does. Also, god forbid one of your mods does something like…
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post something unPC in a Politics community
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argue with content from a native advertiser
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piss off an admin… somehow
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sign in from a device in a way that triggers an automated unchallengeable ban
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fail to constantly scour your community of shitposts
Plenty of the old subs have been hollowed out, transferred, or otherwise denuded of their professional contributors for some stupid reason or another. And now the site is so aggressively policed that you can’t really join (much less re-join once you’ve been booted) to add anything useful.
This has been the OG Wikipedia’s fate as well, with mods getting older and links going stale and new contributors all getting hyper-policed for fear of bots, marketing accounts, and shitposters.
Small forums full of active users are more reliable for useful information than big forums full of lurkers and attention whores. That’s not unique to Reddit. Just very obvious, given the long and deplorable history of the platform.
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The problem is that reddit and others can instantaneously put your years-long effort behind a paywall. I’m not joking. Look at these:
Those aren’t paywalls.
meanwhile i’m using VPNs in browser’s incognito mode to not be tracked
That’s not what a VPN or incognito modes do.
Reddit sucks for a number of reasons, but your internet literacy also kinda sucks.
meanwhile i’m using VPNs in browser’s incognito mode to not be tracked
That’s not what a VPN or incognito modes do.
VPNs prevent the site from attaching an IP address to the site visit, and incognito mode means that browser cookies routinely get scrapped.
Try this while on a VPN and in incognito mode: https://amiunique.org/fingerprint
I bet you’ll be surprised at the methods companies use to fingerprint you - browser agent, Do Not Track enabled/disabled, timezone, screen size… not accepting cookies is also a data point to filter you by.
wtf. why does my browser send such an uniquely identifying token. wtf
(there’s more to the right of it, i cut it to preserve privacy)
WTF
TIL. the way trackers can do stuff
Opens your eyes quite a bit, heh? It’s like you start seeing the matrix. Then you think of your friends and family, the “normies”, and realize they have zero chance. We have all become a cog in this advertising machine.
